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WEDNESDAY, OCT. 19, 2011

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How does your statement, "Therefore the Declaration of Independence was written to proclaim to the world how King George had thrown off the cloak of God's oversight" and "Their unwillingness to stand for military oppression manifests their Biblical knowledge" square with the fact that Jesus and the disciples did not attempt to overthrow the unbiblical usurpations of authority that were manifested during the Roman Empire nor did they promote that others should do so? If we are to assume that the founding fathers were following scriptural principles and were not influenced by Enligtenment beliefs, then where do we see this being taught in the Scriptures? I agree that those who are members of the governing authorities as well as anyone else are ultimately subject to God's laws, because they are absolute, whether people choose to abide by them or not, but we see over and over again throughout history and specifically in Scripture that those in government authority are many times evil and corrupt. God does not say that we should fight to overthrow these systems. Our Republic is based on a system of checks and balances, but without a change from within, evil will ultimately cause an implosion and that is what the Bible predicts will finally occur because of man's rebellion against Him and His ways. Since we are not under a theocracy and we have a representative government, I am all for using every means at our disposal to try to influence each area of our society to be more God glorifying, but without the work of the indwelling Spirit within people, we have only a behavior modification, if that. I agree that governments that are evil are not representative of God's plan, and I, personally, would want them ousted. But if we are using the Bible as our reference point, and specifically looking at the founders and "their unwillingness to stand for military oppression as manifesting their Biblical knowledge, etc. does not seem to jive with what is written in the Scriptures. Jesus states that "His kingdom is not of this world" and therefore, our focus in any change should be an internal one that begins with the salvation of souls, not trying to establish God's dominion in every realm of society, which Scriptures shows will not occur until He returns and sets up His Kingdom on earth. So, although I see that those involved in the revolution were unwilling to stand for military oppression, etc, and their reasons, which make sense to us who now live in a representative republic, but, I do not see that it is ultimately in line with the teaching of Scripture.
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SUNDAY, SEP. 25, 2011

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We are any of those covenants binding government to people found in scripture
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WEDNESDAY, FEB. 16, 2011

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Good thoughts, Randy. Thanks for the info. It was good talking to you at the valentine dinner at MPBC.
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MONDAY, MAY. 30, 2011

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My only note is to object to the word "State." The prophetic vision of victory in Is. 2 and Mic. 4 of "every man under his vine and his fig tree with no one to make them afraid" is one of limited Civil Government. The word State lends itself to the idea of "Statism" which, from Babel to Egypt through Assyria and Babylon, on through ancient Persia and Alexander to the republic of laws and senatorial debate that was violated by Caesar - and all subsequent Beastly systems - is opposed by Kingdom principles as they are worked out in civil government (e.g., Pss. 2, 72; Dan. 2,4, etc.). I do not wish to quibble about words. I just caution us to avoid the subtle implication of the word "state" that lends itself to thinking of large central/national governments, rather than the limited jurisdictions and separate and equal powers that "every man under his vine and fig tree" rather implies.
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WEDNESDAY, FEB. 17, 2010

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Interesting view regarding what is normally stated as a constitutional issue. The Constitution has an establishment clause not a separation clause as is widely believed. The protection our forefathers wanted was to protect the individual from the state rather than vice versa. The above brings to thought of "render unto Caesar". I think the statement that God-given role for the institutions creates its own conflict with separartion. If God gave the role of the state He could hardly be separate from it. Laus Deo

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TUESDAY, MAR. 16, 2010

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This post was submitted to my Carnival - ,just a courtesy comment to let you know that I linked this post , quoted you and responded in the most recent "Carnival of divided government", which is now posted.
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